Silent Service V: Early U.S. Sub Designs (2)

Hi.

Sorry, it’s the weekend. Tautau’s off doing something fun, so I’ll be posting today’s update instead. 

I’m Trout. You’ll meet me later in the book, but for now, just know that I’m another one of STEC’s subgirls. My duties are the same as any other subgirl on base, but I work mostly in intelligence these days. As such, I’m admittedly not much of a techie like Tautog is. I’m better with what we call human resources –

Breaks are a thing, Trout. Have you rested yet?

I had five and a half hours. It’s sufficient. Besides, I get antsy when nothing happens on the site for a day. 

Okay, now you’re making me feel bad. Go get some sleep.


*yawn* Workaholic girl, that one.

Anyways.

I would like to say, however, that we’re creating more of these random expressions. It’s easy to use and it conveys mood a lot better than text.

But, come on. How many of you here are for cute shipgirls in bikinis –

Oh.

Well, uh. Okay, for the rest of you, today I’d like to keep on talking a bit about the earliest submarines. I think after you see the struggles the early submarine designers went through, you’ll have a better appreciation for history and how much effort went in to make the world into what it is today.

Last time we talked about the Ts and how they didn’t work out very well. Today, I’d like to bring up the famous V-boats. As I mentioned last time the V-boats ended up pretty different from one another, but we’ll talk about the first Vs today, V 1-3.

This clipping from a paper in 1921 talks about the size of these things. Look at it. 2000 tons! What’s more, the V-class boats were designed to go 21 knots so to keep up with the main battle fleet.

Now, remember last time I said that the T-boats had issues with multiple power sources to the shaft? They fixed that this time around by putting in two more powerful diesels (at 2250 bhp) and coupling them directly to the twin shafts. As a back-up (handy for charging batteries on the surface), there were two smaller auxiliary diesels. If the commander had wanted, the crew can redirect power to the shafts for a total of 6200 bhp. Some say that this submarine is the beginning of the diesel-electric propulsion system in submarines: using a diesel engine to charge the electric generator which go on to, well, power other things!

Then, weapons. One single 5 inch gun, and twelve torpedoes in total. This might sound like it’s a lot, but many of the other boats at the time carried more guns and still displaced less. The various Japanese Kaigun-dais and the British cruiser boats often carried heavier loads and could go further, and they had just as much territory (in theory) to cover as we did.

And, as usual, we found that what works on paper doesn’t always translate to results. See, even with the very simple strategy American commanders had in mind, the first V-boats just weren’t for the task. America figured out very early on that its primary enemy was unlikely to be Britain, but Japan with all of its highly aggressive moves in Asia. What America needed was a submarine that could go very far and have submarines possibly fight near Japanese waters. The V-boat ended up only able to make 6000 nautical miles at 10 knots.

To put things into perspective, if a submarine sails from the West Coast and head to Asia, it’s going to take this submarine (going at 10 knots) 33 days. The sub’ll probably run out food and it’ll definitely run out of fuel – it’s gonna need to cover about 7500 to 8000 nautical miles. That really won’t do.

The engine was not very good either, and they couldn’t make 21 knots – the Navy would be lucky to get 19 and they ran mostly at 18-18.5. The gun was bad, too, and they ended up downgrading it to a three-incher because the ship was too top-heavy, which weighed the bow of the submarine down.

(V-1 with her first commander.)

I mean, these submarines served admirably, but you know, you can only do so much. All of them ended up decommissioned in less than a decade.

At this point you might be wondering. So, it took them five years. They only got three boats out of it. It had a lot of different problems. What did we get out of it?

Experience. Lots of experience. We got really good at building stuff, and we spent a lot of effort trying to figure out why the diesels were unreliable. We also learned a lot from watching the V-boats and got better at ship design. Perhaps most importantly, we started thinking about war in a smarter way.

That’s to say, we had to make the submarine independent. The Philippines wouldn’t be a feasible location to defend – the Japanese would take it easily enough. Even if we fortified Hawaii and used that as our main base, that’s still looking at a 4000 – 5000 nautical mile trip from Hawaii before we can get our submarines into the battle zone.

So, the General Board of the United States Navy (they’re like the navy’s general staff – a big group of advisors. Shortened to General Board in further posts) took a look, reined in their collective hard-ons for battleships and big battle lines (Yes… It may surprise you to hear that we thought like the Kantai E- er, I mean, Kantai Kessen Decisive Battle folks too), and said, we need a submarine that could stay out really far. We’re going to need a much better design than what we had before, and we’re going to have to seriously look at how to fix our deficiencies.

… Let me tell you a story.

Trout? Thought you went to bed.

The General Board first wanted a cruiser submarine. Then they wanted a “fast cruiser submarine” that could go to Japan and come back in the same go. Since it needed to scout, we planned for it to stay out there for a month and a half. Then we wanted to add distance, and now it needs to go 17,000 nautical miles at 10 knots.

Since we decided it needed to stay out for long, we had to get the biggest bang for our buck. Let’s add double the torpedoes the Japanese and British had to this thing. Make it eighteen. No, twenty-four. No, thirty. Since we’re going to be out there for that long, let’s add other capabilities too. Why don’t we make this cruiser submarine lay mines, too?

Yeah! Let’s throw sixty mines in the deal as well. Now we have a submarine that’s not only heavily armed, but also super useful! It can scout and attack boats and mine all in the same design!

Hmm, with such a potential load, we gotta make it go fast. Every day this submarine spends traveling means it’s one less day on patrol. Let’s make it go at least… fifteen knots. Fifteen knots on the surface. That’ll show the other countries who’s boss.

But people were thinking about using airplanes to attack submarines, and that runs against the principles of stealth.

Precisely, Tautau! So let’s make it so that it’d be tough for planes to get us! We’ll put our own aircraft on the submarine, so the submarine can see the bad guys nearby and sneakily attack the ships before planes will show up. Planes won’t be a problem if they can’t find us!

Let’s add more guns too. As big of a gun as we can fit. Actually let’s add more guns. Yeah! America!

 

I should step in to clarify that much of the fanciful nonsense were thankfully stopped by the design board before anyone tried to build this thing. So, lucky for us, much of the above stayed as ideas – paper designs – only. What happened in reality was that the Navy finally worked out just which one of those elements did they want (Endurance, yes. Everything else, meh) and showed up to Congress with their new budget. They wanted six dedicated cruiser submarines and six dedicated minelayer submarines for defense.

And?

Congress looked at their budget, laughed, and said you can have one. 

Hey, V-4 ended up being pretty good. But, honestly, we’re getting off topic. Let’s call it a day here. Thanks for visiting my submarine corner!

Silent Service IV: Early U.S. Sub Designs

Welcome to another one of my sub corners. Hope you’ve had a good evening!

So, before I begin, I would like to complain about something.

Morgane, you really should figure out a way to organize all the things you write. The website’s a mess and frankly nobody can find much of anything. It’s hard to find what things are related to shipgirls and which things are actually related to history…

I know. ;_; I’m working on it. 

 

Anyways. I want to take us a little further back in history to the 1920s. You see, despite the usefulness of the submarine, most of the major world powers really didn’t know how to build them very well. After all, the first sea-going submarines came out around 1910 – those being the D-class of the Royal Navy and the U-19 for the Imperial German Navy respectively.

What’s important to keep in mind was that the unrestricted U-boat campaign during 1917 and 1918 sparked a lot of lightbulbs in the naval designers of various countries. The victorious Allies took the German U-boats and studied them carefully, then applied what they learned to their own submarine designs.

For the U.S. Navy, though, the U-boat was nothing short of an epiphany. The US Navy had initially saw the submarine as a good coastal defense unit. Seeing what the Germans had made the Americans realize that submarines could be very useful in scouting the Pacific if they could sortie out from Hawaii or bases in the West Coast. They were also very interested in technical elements such as hinged masts that would facilitate long distance radio communications, chemicals used for air purification, and of course, items used for submarine rescue.

The thing is, though, many of the German U-boats were optimized for commerce raiding and port patrols. That isn’t exactly what some of the naval commanders had in mind, where great roles of the submarine was envisioned in fleet to fleet actions. For that sort of thing you need high surface speed (to get to where you want – remember submarines throughout World War II were quite slow underwater!) and good communications. So, at the time, U.S. naval designers had a dilemma on their hands – they simply didn’t really know what exactly they would want in the design of these submarines. This resulted in a number of failures such as the T-class submarines, and it took them quite a while before getting to, well, the good stuff!

You have to understand that the first of the “Fleet Boats” – that’s to say, submarines designed not for coastal defense, but “fleet actions” (going out over long distances to attack the enemy) were authorized in 1916. These were nine additional submarines, and by the time the Washington Naval Conference occurred, three of them were already laid down.

However, these submarines were very large and very expensive, and only six would be completed within the decade. In total, the nine different V-boats would really fall under three broad categories, and as you will see later on, they were very different from one another. The Narwhal and Nautilus, for instance, would be almost twice as large (in terms of displacement) when compared to the earlier boats!

Let’s take a look.

Silent Service IV: Tautog's Sub Corner on U.S. Submarine Design

(Image of AA1 taken from navsource.org)

I tend to call these guys T-boats. The Navy changed its nomenclature system quite a bit, so you will find them being called SF 1, AA1, or later on, T1. There were three of them, and they had a displacement of about 1000 tons. They were quite large (twice as big as any U.S. submarines at the time) and were completed after World War One. The primary goal was for these submarines to accompany the surface fleets into battle. That’s why they were equipped with four large NLSE diesels that could make them go at about 20 knots.

However, what they found was that the doubling up of the diesels (the T-boats had two shafts) resulted in very severe torsional vibration problems for the ship. While the T-boats were able to make 20 knots during sea trials, subsequent trials showed that they could not keep up with the fleet at all.

This, among a slew of other issues, resulted in the T-boats being decommissioned in just two years. I’m not saying it was a good design at all, and in all honesty it’s a pretty big waste of money. But, it did get the U.S. started on its long journey towards making better submarines.

 

Silent Service III – Batfish Plays Silent Hunter

Hiya Batfish! How are things going?

Oh. Hey Tautog.

Well, right now Morgane, K9, and I are scheduling who does what for the sub corners.

…Isn’t the sub corners your thing? 

Well, everyone’s pitching in to help. I thought I’d come check on you since we haven’t determined your role yet –

No really? You didn’t? I am so surprised. 

Well! I just thought you’d want to know what we’re doing and what we’re having you do…

Could you stop staring at my screen like that?

…Is that the Yamato?

Yes. What of it?

Uh, nothing. What game are you playing?

Silent Hunter 4. K9 gave it to me. He buys me games. The new one’s pretty bad though so I play 4 instead. 

And the first thing you do is try to sink the Yamato?

…Call it a personal quest. An obsession. A curiosity of mine. 

😉

What’s with the smirk.

You’re taking the uh, historical thing pretty personally aren’t you?

Well. I’ll sign you up to explain torpedo targeting and working the TDC. How about that?

Yea. Sure. Whatev – Aw shit. I left my periscope up too long. Thanks Tog. I’ll have to retreat now.


Later…


OH THIS IS BULLSHIT. THAT WAS A FULL SIX TORP SPREAD. YAMMY FUCKING ATE IT ALL.

It’s just a game, Bats…

BUT HOW THE HELL ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO SINK THE YAMATO IF SHE EATS ALL OF YOUR TORPS? I SPENT THREE FUCKING HOURS CHASING THIS FATASS AND I DON’T EVEN GET TO SINK HER.

If you want I can ask Dolphin to have Yammy be our next target for training.

IT’S NOT THE SAME THING. GODDAMN DEVELOPERS AND THEIR WEEABOO AXIS BIAS. IT’S GONNA TAKE ME HOURS TO CONFIGURE THE RIGHT MODS TO GET THIS STUFF WORKING LIKE IT’S SUPPOSED TO.

Actually. If a personal interjection may be permitted. The game may not be inaccurate. While it is true that the Yamato is generally considered to have excellent torpedo protection, the actual data is a lot more complex and oftentimes conflicting or even contradictory. After all the Yamato did absorb a considerably large number of torpedoes, though they were dropped from planes and differ considerably from the submarine ones. In any case the video game is not necessarily wrong in depicting the Yamato as a capable target, and in no small part due to the nature of that particular game’s design. Of course if actual history is required a trip to the library would suffice. Currently in the library’s possession include Thornton’s study, Garzke and Dulin’s book, and –

ALRIGHT FOUR-EYES THAT’S ENOUGH. THIS IS SILENT SERVICE. GET YOUR OWN DAMN BOOK ON TIN CANS OR GO WRITE YOUR OWN DAMN COLUMN! 

Well, for the purpose of general education it would be more expedient if –

OUT OUT OUT